Chan-Why am I not in favor of the West group signature

 Why I do not advocate group signature
Chen Li Zhuang was sentenced to the West
year and a half, the community maintained his long-term concern. But action has been shown on the Li Zhuang main concern peers, Hunan, Yang Jinzhu lawyer. He took me and Chen Guangwu require interpretation of Article 306 of the motion, thousands of lawyers launched a signature campaign asking the Supreme Court interpretation. His actions touched or affected a self-styled ; Xi'an small lawyer's , mostly just look not to answer, to judge by his own act. However, this is hilarious on this issue for two days, began to battle a variety of viewpoints, some people out of concern that Chinese lawyers for nothing, can not solve the problem yourself first noisy on; some people out of genuine concern, I hope unity of the legal profession; some people took the opportunity to fan the flames, waves, and anxious as gruel lawyers argue, have a Transfer all of the case against Li genuine concern. It caught my attention, that in recent years, Chinese intellectuals attempted to , but little success. In addition to the Sun Zhigang incident actually led to a waste of evil change administrative rules and regulations, most are counter-productive. aroused the resentment of official and more bounce, and some legal intellectuals, lawyers, Eventually, even to survive in the domestic employment opportunities are lost. on such a way as an official, sociology scholars, legal scholars, want China to better and more stable democratic political development of the people, really need to think and research. This times Yang Jinzhu signature move, fall offers a good research specimen. Therefore, I say a few words on the sign. In order to reflect our thinking, I will reference the original message some users, as the analysis of material.
one variety of perspectives on the problem signature
in today's China, the contradictions, the government's credibility has dropped to the lowest point, is to safeguard social justice and the judiciary last line of defense, but also strange things again and again. lawyers, maintenance of the general public as the guardian of fundamental rights, has also been used arbitrarily fish. So is power against the people of this society has lost the most basic trust, lost the last hope, so the spring to emerge this year, Xu Many more killings, the means and impact of these cases, should arouse the attention of the ruling authorities. I really do not know that China will develop further so that is what. r No 2010-5-2
fate of the nation do not know why the school to Western democratic election? look at what you claim they have been known for the elite or the lawyers in a . As you can choose to express their views on the signature, like other individuals have their own means of expression. Failing that, what with the football hooligans difference? respect other people's voting rights, which is to defend your right to vote is as important as, or even Important! and some of us, but to bring it at this point content of the individual right to choose it? this way of thinking what is it? deep-rooted , but it is unconsciously inherit what you hate the tyranny of the and more advanced. This is great so far although I am not communist, but I am not opposed to the reasons for the ruling Communist Party! Sun Yat-sen died so early. He did not teach the Chinese how to meeting, not the Chinese Church how to respect different opinions and express different opinions. including the Taiwan of today's so-called the development of modern industrial capitalism, has been in a variety of doctrine, a variety of inside and outside the high-handed rule, democracy does not come by the school. Like the development of species of the same can not be completed by the revolution. respect to God.
r No 2010 - 5-2 The Merchant of Venice
Sad lawyer, and now can not unite, they blame each other up
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【2010-5-1】 Yang Jinzhu turn End of the World posted a lawyer, I support you, but supports What must be signed for?
(Henan Cao Jingjie German law firm Aviva)
known as the April 19 draft and in his Sina blog, websites, forums, issued Law million signatures to the Supreme Court on the without ten thousand signatures lawyers asked the Supreme Court interpretation of Article 306, I announced the life out of China Law of the altar, I will be as a freelance writer, with my pen in my heart for the grassroots people to cry interests! for China's democratic politics and cry! to promote the rule of law in China before the train line and cry! I will Qu Yuan, Du Fu, Lu and other sages as a model, subject to the whole family coffin months later, at 12:00 on May 25th, 2010 the statistics signatures ten thousand lawyers. If the results when less than ten thousand lawyers, I will announce the life out of China Law of the altar! a quiet backwater in general I look forward to the altar is not legal in China, China Law Forum!
that can not be self-discipline, self-reflection, self-forum is not the Chinese law Chinese law I look forward to the altar!
a looking forward to the era of Chinese lawyers!
a loss to the pursuit of justice is not my goal time lawyers look forward to the era of Chinese lawyers!
ended at 17 o'clock on April 30 only, 260 lawyers around the country have signed in support of .
Xing Weiguo 11:50 today, I sent a SMS: lawyer. Xingwei Guo poor counsel emerged in Guangzhou, told me the afternoon call, May Festival for signature issues. Hunan Xiang Zhang Jian, director re-implementation of law firm lawyers told me the afternoon of phone: the lawyers of the 32 May Day Festival will be held for signature issues. Hunan Hunan Zhen Song Wang, director of law firm lawyers told me the afternoon of phone: the lawyers of the 18 signature issues for the May Festival.
I expect a miracle legal profession in China: the May 25 signing of a lawyer to million or more. There are 25 days, I am filled with anticipation! Some things really need to say, perhaps because of the following ideas, so I have little interest in the signature.
1, vigorous million signature campaign is in full swing lawyer ongoing. as a lawyer, it seems at the moment signature money. > 2, their own proposed a Just Do it; if you need like-minded persons to help, even though it wants to talk about; However, Yang's lawyer lawyers gave out all of a question, asked us to make a If the response by less than one million, then the life out legal forum. seems to taste with a threat. There kidnapping and trial of moral taste. If at the May 25, less than 1 million people in response to the signature, then the eyes of Young lawyers lawyers is a This large hat really makes all lawyers feel then ah ...... you in the end it is signed or not signed?
3, Yang called for ten thousand lawyers appeal, adhere to the are like
4, the significance of the signature there? a thousand individual and what is the difference? Even if all the signatures of all the lawyers can do? Even if the Supreme Court has interpreted can do? problem is not so much how the law is imperfect, the laws we have today and thirty years ago is undoubtedly good, but the social control and order, morality and faith, and the last comparison is progressed or regressed? Li Zhuang events, suspended license door events, and more said die, and death Bianshi even stranger. because most lawyers are regional practice, mix a long time, a circle of people, but not bow to see the rise, fraternizing, and if one day we meet in court, you can do safeguard the interests of clients a wine on the table, eating and drinking together, K songs, playing a woman's companion to justice, thrown into prison, how realistic ... So, I think, attorney ethics and beliefs, determines the law alone, the lawyer should be to maintain the distance between, or even can be strange. to the battlefield, bloodthirsty nature to play with each other to bite more crazy and completely. Otherwise, keep your master the What is not depressed.
6, Young lawyers come to talk about ideas, very much in favor for the following reasons: (1), exists, but does not mean its legitimacy. So, if it is proposed to explain, modify, it seems better to submit to the organ; (2), the practice of environmental law, not to explain the 306, will be improved, I believe that What point of view there are no objections. counsel problems, strange charges, fraud, extortion, and so on. seems Pu / Blog / strong lawyers saw an article on the lawyers involved in criminal charges being investigated for an article; ( 3), need to do a lot of the Supreme Court, judicial independence, involving one hundred and seventy thousand lawyers, and the fundamental interests of the Chinese people the proposition, should in their own field by the Supreme Court to make efforts to explain the 306, compared with, seem trivial; (4), the need to focus on many things, many things need to change, everyone in their respective areas, adhere to their professional conduct and professional ethics, would be sufficient. the need to people petitioning? I doubt and the attitude of vigilance.
I respect Young lawyers were ordinary Chinese lawyer, I live in is that China's real world, rather than the political arena.
there is no to do a citizen, for the Constitution and our rights under the law, and in order to Counsel's signature invitation, but I support the Supreme Court on the judicial interpretation of Article 306 to make the legal reality】 【present, just as I support the many things, many things I object to, support and opposition, and I would urge people not to do joint signatures, their own voice on it.
more personal point of view.
Henan Cao Jingjie German law firm Aviva
May 1, 2010
r No 2010-5-1 Ouyang Zhiqiang
in my opinion, the question million signatures calling on the So far, Chen Guangwu lawyers to do more than counsel Chan admirable Sai!
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Law Forum Vigilante In The Mask Yang Jinzhu 2010-05-01 Sina in his blog, to stay response to some Internet users do not sign a statement of my criticism: I have deleted the West of Chen's comments personal attacks on lawyers! can be discussed, but not personal attacks! this blog will be removed so the Chan-lawyer personal attacks West Comment! respectfully invite us to understand and support!
2010-5-1 Friends
Law Forum Vigilante In The Mask Yang Jinzhu 2010-05-01 15:39:17
Yang Jinzhu counsel respectfully invite you friends not to publish the West against Chen Counsel's remarks. I and Chan Sai lawyers met an old friend in 2004. I was, and Li Fei, a famous lawyer, Yuan Ye initiated the formation of the , Western lawyers and Li Fei Chan, Yuan Ye and other famous lawyers as vice president. Chen lawyers do not agree to sign the West, it is his right. Chen lawyer not in favor of the West to seek my counsel signed an open way, which is He's right. This small difference does not affect our friendship over the years. in promoting the rule of law in China before the train line on the road, our pace is consistent!
2010-5-1
a friend West: Some words you do not mind the Internet, remain high silent, no longer whispered answer. History has been found: You are a mountain, you are a flag, not to low to compromise in itself, from the fact that they care about your signature, you can proof of your high position, so why go to a special interpretation of some irresponsible remarks? may have been deliberately pestering you stand, and the mischief of the neither involved in, not stand in the face asked, laughing off the question. Best regards! User
(I Yang Jinzhu blog posts on the two turn as you read the copy below.) 2010-05-01 12:35 : 24
see Chan-West lawyer friends back to the latter part of the second and fourth, frontal view:
1, there may be top-notch attorney heart Chen, chief heart, unwilling to follow anyone, independent of , not just over the positive role of the reaction.
2, Not surprisingly, but which plays for the right not to bleed it, (this revolution, of course, this time we are not in the blood, our country is still not to such a degree
3, if we all just mind support support Yang Jinzhu lawyers, not to do, the process of China's rule of law what's the use? Chiang Kai-shek did dislodge it, not praying in his heart, not thought out.
4, is play it safe, think twice, in fact, not three articles. any leader, master, you, famous, etc., but is also excreted in the animals need to eat it. people call themselves higher animals, in fact, nothing noble, deep, deep are widow,
5, we just do not do it, are waiting for someone else to do, then all times who can, for example, such rights to, deep to, or do it, no matter what way, the total can not do without skills, Mrs Yang absolute boom type, blood type, but he has done opened, Zaban, ah, with it, not the cold heart, much better than I, Yang rate dare, I'm not sure what , do not bother to do it. Chen lawyers do not sign worth mentioning, Chen lawyer than most lawyers have done a lot, even if the do not, can not tell anything else. I only know through the prosecution of Li Chen's lawyers, but also know Shanghai has a small range of folk speech, but never heard of Chen admonition counsel to the state sector of the thing, if Chen lawyers and explicit way with the table as a state, rather than by looking at the article before you infer you to support this thing, it is much better, nothing to sign or not sign the. we all know, needless to say, certainly in favor of the abolition of lawyers Chen, modify, explain the 306. Of course, should respect each for their actions and ways of doing things, in particular, to respect self-preservation of the. ha ha, that's right not to get angry, different point of view, I may be but 2 days into support for Chen lawyers point of view. people live much longer, want to do something fast to do, or too late. If you take a Young lawyers , and then a second how much longer Young lawyers, the day known. see a beautiful girl, early start, to chase.
Sina User 2010-05-01 (Chan-West Press: This is obviously thinks too dollars fifty cents for the party's drive a wedge between fake and Yang Jinzhu fans, He is pleased that the total alienation of his success, see:)
the West saw Chen's position on the sign, I knew he was not our imagination man, Chen Li Zhuang by the West is just the case that we have met, he is not for all, not the rule of law in China, he is only utopian fantasy, he also has his own selfishness, and Yang Jinzhu lawyers immeasurably. What if he then speech rights, the rule of law, he may serve stinky boots.
Sina User 2010-05-01 15:27:42
two message above, which shows the consequences of behavior and threatening old Yang sign side effects: to reverse the direction of, damage to others, highlighting their ideological confusion. Now, many important pre-aphasia voice of people is because they do not agree to leave the case against Li to talk about 306, but support in principle do not want to hurt his old Yang initiative, issued in consultation with many of the comments made clear when spoken to, Lao Yang is not the word adoption, still insist that the words hair removed from one of the language used seems to stir up trouble within the peer sow dissension, we do not be fooled!
t is a loyal friend 2010-5-1
(Chan-West Press) Below this is obviously excited I want to stand with the prodding tactic , made it clear to me, very disappointed not to participate in the signature. a cavity blood moving, but a lot of irrational events that caused such emotional immaturity. self-righteous spirit of sacrifice of a greatness is, in fact, may be brought about real The sacrifice of no value. He's the Revolution and Peace confused. China is not the age of revolution. not size up the situation, a lot of China's User lawyers back to the latter part of the second and fourth, the amount of views:
1, there may be top-notch attorney heart Chen, chief heart, unwilling to follow anyone, independent, and not just over the positive role of the reaction .
2, it, (this blood, our country is still not to this extent.
3, if we all just mind support support Yang Jinzhu lawyer, did not do it, the process of China's rule of law, what's the use? dislodge made out of Chiang Kai-shek is not praying in his heart, not thought out.
4, articles. any leader, master, you, famous, etc., but is also excreted in the animals need to eat it. people call themselves higher animals, in fact, nothing noble, deep, deep is the widow.
5, We do not do it, are waiting for someone else to do, then all times who can, for example, to such rights, deep to, or to do it, no matter what way, the total can not do without practice a lot, but all the same thing. must be done, do have a way of method, technique issues. Frankly speaking, their brains fixed point, with 36 total points. I do not fully agree with Yang, a lawyer, skills, Mrs Yang absolute hurricane-type, blood type, but he has done opened, Zaban, ah, with it, not the cold heart, much better than I, Yang rate dare, I'm not sure what, do not bother to do.
Chen lawyers do not sign worth mentioning, Chen lawyer than most lawyers have done a lot, even if the do not, can not tell anything else. I only know through the prosecution of Li Chen lawyers also know that there is little scope in Shanghai private speech, but never heard of counsel to the state sector Chen admonition thing, if Chen lawyers and explicit way with the table as a state, rather than by looking at the article before you infer you support this, that much better , nothing to sign or not sign the. we all know, needless to say, certainly in favor of the abolition of lawyers Chen, modify, explain the 306. Of course, should respect each for their actions and ways of doing things, in particular, to respect the self-preservation of the. ha ha, that the right not to get angry, different point of view, but 2 days I may become a support for Chen lawyer point of view. people live much longer, want to do something fast to do, or too late. If you take a Young lawyers, and then a second Young lawyers also how long, days known. see a beautiful girl, early start, pay close attention to recover.
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Chen Xian User:
one, I saw You have been calling my position, thank you for the heart of justice;
Second, I do not sign. I have never signed a collective joint event. because to do so than a positive effect on the reaction, but also easy to invited heavy criticism, may also be radical people use;
III, Li case has no say my attitude, Yang lawyer is based on the basis of materials published during my call, I have no need to repeat the point I have been clear;
IV not less than ten thousand levy a lawyer is not right. you do not really seriously, you always said was tantamount to forcing Yang Jinzhu lawyers and other lawyers, to act to brains. other lawyers coerced in this way is not good This matter should be voluntary, lawyers do not sign, does not mean his heart did not understand, does not support Yang, but not in favor of this approach. Some lawyers have a more far-reaching than the Young lawyers thought, should respect each for their actions and way of doing things.
see Cipian after the second and the fourth to the second half, my point: 1, Chen lawyers may have top-notch heart, chief heart, unwilling to follow anyone, independent, and not just reactive .2 positive effect over the issue, it does not bleed, (this not in the blood, our country is still not to such a degree 3, if we all just mind support support Yang Jinzhu lawyers, do not do it, the process of China's rule of law, what's the use? dislodge made out of Chiang Kai-shek was not the heart to pray , not like out of .4, and so on, but is also excreted in the animals need to eat it. people call themselves higher animals, in fact, nothing noble, deep, deep are the widow, 5, we just do not do it, are waiting for someone else to do, then the ancient and modern abroad who, for example, such rights to, deep to, or make out, no matter what way, always the methods, techniques problem. Frankly speaking, their brains fixed point, with 36 total points. I do not fully agree with Yang, a lawyer, skills, Mrs Yang absolute boom type, blood type, but he has done opened, Zaban ah , with it, not cold heart. Chen lawyers do not sign worth mentioning, Chen lawyer than most lawyers have done a lot, even if the do not, can not tell anything else. I only know through the prosecution of Li Chen Law , and also know that in Shanghai there is a small range of folk speech, but never heard of Chen admonition counsel to the state sector of the thing, if Chen law and the express way with the table as a state, rather than by looking at your previous articles infer you support this, it is much better, had nothing to sign or not sign. We all know that, needless to say, certainly in favor of the abolition of lawyers Chen, modify, explain the 306. Of course, should respect each act and doing things their own approach, in particular, to respect the self-preservation of the. ha ha, that's right not to get angry, different point of view, but 2 days I may become a support for Chen lawyer point of view. people live much longer, want to do something fast to do, or too late. If you take a Young lawyers, and then a second how much longer Young lawyers, the day known. see a beautiful girl, early start, pay close attention to follow. I will not be registered nickname, Shandong Zibo Xu Zhong Run Zhangdian general counsel in 2010 r -5-1 visitors
Chen lawyers, lawyers asked the Supreme Court on the Yang Jinzhu on the interpretation of Article 306 of the Criminal Code, your knowledge and attitude, I believe that many Chinese lawyers are concerned about your attention to your comments and action!!! whether public statements and actions it!!! a little respect for your lawyer Xi'an !!!!< br> [quote] response time :2010-5-1 2:30:01
Reply: Chan-West re: First, I see you have been calling my position, thank you for the heart of justice; Second, I do not sign. I have never signed a collective joint event. because to do so than a positive effect on the reaction, but also easy to invited heavy criticism can also be exploited radical; third prosecution of Li has no say my attitude, Yang lawyer is based on the basis of materials published during my call, I have no need to repeat the point I have been clear; Fourth, do not levy ten thousand would not be a lawyer is not right. you do not really seriously, you always said was tantamount to force him and other lawyers, to act to be intelligent. other lawyers coerced in this way is not good, this things should be voluntary, lawyers do not sign, does not mean his heart did not understand, do not support the Yang, but not in favor of this approach. Some lawyers have a more far-reaching than the Young lawyer thinking, should respect each for their actions and ways of doing things. [/ quote]
Second, why do not advocate group signature
read the above expression of views, I can now say something, why I do not want to, not actually participate in this signature event to go. I believe that my tips on reasonable protect our young lawyers to maintain the stability of our country, so that the country's democratic and legal process no longer have twists and turns and setbacks, is good.
First, Li Zhuang event has is a major concern of domestic and international events, the aspirations we all know the expression has been able to master the interpretation of national legislation, judicial interpretation of the organs and can really start amending the law of the people have to understand. now go to lawyers engaged in this sector signature, in addition to causing some momentum, but is superfluous. , the channel is much more to the official.
Second, China's legal progress is gradual. Do not expect overnight. We defend Li Zhuang, China's overall legal system in order to more civilized, progressive, people's basic rights to be able to counsel activities are complete legal protection. not just for lawyers in seeking their own right. unduly prominent lawyer's appeal, will counsel from the basic rights of people stripped, as if only the lawyers are screaming for their own interests . This smashing things to do. had a normal demands of a mass signature for immediate investigation and become signs of events. This has been a lot of examples. Some very good lawyer, very good intentions, in fact, with the official stand point of view also exactly the same petitions, not the ways and means of selection, the leader's personal heroism, resulting in unnecessarily with the official opposition. Gaode their habitats are destroyed, both in the country can not stay. China is now the peace period of development, not the Revolution era. lawyers battle in court, not the streets. that Shi Yang is a barrister, it is a revolution plot, the film is the literature to Chinese lawyers misled. Law is a country very rational, intelligent group of people He is not street orator. We have to live through a case, to enlighten the people, to promote the advancement of justice, to promote national culture.
Fourth, I was good friends with Young lawyers, he is a willing to have a conscience play good lawyer, but I do not like his own by threatening to withdraw from law firms, coerced, forced us to sign the practice. I especially can not agree with him to the airport Zhuidu Yu Ning, president forced him to stand such a practice. That, at least is not cool reason. One can say the level of truth and a little good lawyer quit, some of it not the middle of the legal system, people who want to engage in play into the hands of men. They wish you to quit. netizen ...