Today at 2 pm, hosted the World Cup Sina chat room guests, two guests are all professionals who are familiar with Zhang Lu and Lu Jun mm. With endless World Cup match referee preceding questions and chat.
No game days, we have time to hear two experts may wish to view the relevant issues, even where there is academic debate. Oh, anyway, I think after listening very helpful.
chat Record Excerpts mm < br> Dong Lu: Do you predict that the World Cup which will have been so many controversial penalty and the referee do?
Lu Jun: this matter should not be afterwards that there have been prior to the foreboding, because the referee also had his law of nature. the last World Cup should be said that in the world, equal to some of the various continents are relatively more mature top referee. together because of their retirement, including the original Kriner, Nelson, Scotland Dallas, Sweden famous referee, smashed the head of the, and would have been his. Asia, too, there are several far as their high level of retired judges, the referee may make this term seems to appear in the issue a little more. < br> Dong Lu: the idea is fresh, there was some kind of replacement referees, the replacement of old after a technical level appears to play a less stable.
Zhang Lu: Like with the team, the team also has this kinds of situations.
Dong Lu: We now have the focus of the penalty from the referee began to focus on this topic. Zhang, all of you are watching the match, give you the deepest impression is what a controversial penalty ?
Zhang Lu: a controversial penalty? tell the truth, I have seen these two days watching halo, and the impression can not remember too many controversial penalty? seems that a Portuguese and Dutch, the the more controversial penalty. from the players, the reaction is very intense. but the referee was wrong in itself right of each sentence, which of course have to judge on television over Lu Jun, a penalty may be specific to each are good, all right. But the players react so strongly, that there may be some other factors, Lu Jun of this I think it is better to analyze this.
Dong Lu: I remember a game is a goal, you were the judge determined that the teacher with the land there are differences, that is, Japan, Australia.
Zhang Lu: I was watching the CCTV because it is great to see the big screen.
Dong Lu: not very clear.
Zhang Lu: That screen, particularly , with the feeling of watching TV is different, you see is a local. At that time, a big close-up, I see the goalie jumped up and crash a Japanese player is outside the door zone line back to him, hit the goalkeeper to him, so I thought the ball in or outside the line of hard to say, is the man that hit the goalie or the goalie hit people, hard to say, is between the two can be. But then look at the small screen, while reading back to the goalkeeper and a Japanese team player, hit him from the other side, to the members of the moves, the Lu Jun're right, collision goalkeeper. I just saw the local, did not see that person.
Lu Jun: Japan's players I know, the body is not strong, they rely on small movements, more subtle, largely rebutted those claims, not very vigorous, and very little action, very subtle, but affect the other action of the play, jumped up, but get up, because he was a small arch of the action.
Dong Lu: like Japan, Australia scored the ball, the controversial penalty that not all controversial penalty in the mainstream. I am afraid that more mainstream, or concentrated in the offside ball. Second, including the penalty of the penalty. if it is more difficult to judge offside was.
Lu Jun: I did not speak for the judges, do we see a lot of mistakes, or even nearly every mistake by television The record, because we can use modern technology, including CCTV, this time also used a high-definition television, a lot of fouls can be a one to judge, and assistant referees on the field is difficult to make a frame by frame judgments, it is indeed a difference between people and machines. In addition, a very common Assistant Referee work hard to do that, because we know that a post is inserted, some pass-line people, goals and the defense of people in my Fortunately, the line of sight, offside rules? moment in passing, sometimes people pass in the backcourt, the frontcourt attack people, we can try, the eyes are inseparable.
Dong Lu: except halibut.
Lu Jun: both sides of the eyes to see, the moment of time, the rapid run with a time lag. If it is an upward pressure on both sides, a bottom-up, this rate amounts to multiples.
Zhang Lu: a cross.
Lu Jun: faster, throw in a large, several meters. then to the Assistant Referee of the psychological pressure, endured difficult. Kunitari Union, there was a Technology Statistics, assistant referee in the case of doubt, and soon, take is not clear down after the final statistics are wrong 90%.
Dong Lu: 90% of doubt is wrong? < br> Lu Jun: I said, the dislocation is not offside, the strike wiped out, according to the FIFA statistics, the problem is not a person is a universal human problem, a judge orders the whole world, you're not sure circumstances, to consider the interests of the attacker, so stressed, but the assistant referee in his mind, imagine, if in doubt, to score a goal may be to play. For his psychological pressure, the problems have not yet been resolved. FIFA to support or difficult to solve such a large.
Dong Lu: University of the technical and tactical analysis, watching a game, is a miscarriage of justice decided the outcome of a game, The so-called technical and tactical analysis is therefore itself an objective of being one?
Zhang Lu: Of course there is a case of a match penalty decision, the objective still exists. But from another perspective, this the other two teams not to win over, not to win points. After all, the miscarriage of justice, miscarriage of justice dictate the outcome of a minority. a hundred games, at most 5,6, 7,8 this is the situation. by a key miscarriage of justice, miscarriage of justice to decide the game, but most still rely on the strength game.
Dong Lu: Because I am a layman, I feel this term more and more. such as give a few casual The most recent example we have left Italy out of Australia this penalty, the second, Australia's second goal in Ghana, including Spain, France foul that led to the goal, several knockout round, every game has This focus, and this focus is largely decided by the outcome. For example, Ghana has remained behind 0-1, the mentality of the players may be relatively stable, you play Brazil 0-2, when almost no hope. Spain, too, if that ball does not enter, the two sides deadlocked 1-1 to continue, toss, let alone with Australia, Italy, finished a few seconds before the final field.
Zhang Lu: This is just an assumption. We can also assume that sent me, Ghana's second goal in Brazil did not enter, but the second half of Brazil may be more Maili Qi, into more goals in Ghana. After all, watching from the forecast before, stronger than most people think of Brazil, Ghana, Brazil win Ghana is normal, the French better than Spanish.
Dong Lu: But it seems that you are optimistic about the Spanish market.
Zhang Lu: But the actual game play from the point of view, the day France won the state of Spain is absolutely normal Spain does look better from the day's play in France. Italy won the Australian normal not normal? overall outcome of view is normal, misjudged misjudgment objective.
Lu Jun: indeed most of the time the referee should also be based on the strength of the team to decide the outcome of the game. But referee errors, especially serious mistake hh
Dong Lu: may be based on this idea.
Lu Jun: especially the two teams are evenly matched circumstances, this miscarriage of justice so often the outcome of a game.
Zhang Lu: That Look probability, if the probability of large, do not say has reached 50%, more than 30%, then FIFA referee system, to change the rules, that have electronic referee, or even major problems such as the need to stop watching video games, but does not, it means that the referee wrongly, Missing is not enough to change the game up from the whole results. may also be passed this session, the international referee committee meeting you attend Lu Jun, it was agreed that the referee to die now, not to say that the low level of judges, with judges is now this has been less than the naked eye since the control of the contest .
Lu Jun: I have to say the problem is not that important to the referee changed the result of errors, I just want to talk about some evenly matched in the screening, not many. I do not agree with you that what is meant ? such as Italy Australia game, I do not think the performance of the Italian game is better than Australia, I just said is meant, not in it. may be in the traditional sense that it strength.
Zhang Lu: Lu Jun, we say that two issues, I am not specifically discussed in a game, I mean we're doing a whole to judge, judge of the miscarriage of justice, the Missing is not in general have affected the results. just Dong Lu question means that the specific game that you say it no one finished.
Dong Lu: We retreat, in a pursuit of fairness, justice of the times, if an emphasis on fair competition, sports items, to 30% even if it does not, when it comes to 20%, I think has been very necessary to make up a certain way, because these can not be 5 games, 1 field to have to rise to a miscarriage of justice, to decide which games, so the game could have been won by the loss of the side. I was so understanding.
I have a feeling for decades in the development of football, the players body get stronger, run faster, the ball even faster, including technical higher over.
Lu Jun: hidden foul.
Dong Lu: the rich, including tactics, play the rich, dazzling. all things which factors are constantly reinforces, but only the referee hh
Lu Jun: Yes, that's the problem, what I just said to talk about the problem. Now umpire in the system and the trajectory of his run, he can not keep ahead of modern football developed or preserved an amateur system, not a selection in advance is a natural selection process, and itself does not match the rapid development of football, certainly more and more out of the contradictions highlighted.
Zhang Lu: This is the One aspect of the problem. There is another problem, the ability of people now to that question you just said, he could no longer meet this case in the modern game has to control. For example I have been a side of the flag, side view of the flag to big, proximal, distal, had to watch the one.
Dong Lu: There is such a distance, the width.
Zhang Lu: Vision to look at this, have to see to pass the ball to see but come. this case, people still okay alone?
Lu Jun: This campaign should be said that is a very simple exercise, it is easy to be acceptable to all sports. As to what use machinery to replace the referee , this thing is not feasible, will make the game really lost continuity. such as watching video can be immediately stopped, and that may play a day game.
Zhang Lu: The player has been professional, but the referee or amateur.
Lu Jun: And still very amateur, who wanted to do to be dry, the natural selection process. For example, I think he a good guide, brain smart, well, he do not want to do, I can only willing to do the inside to the selection.
Dong Lu: low level of competition out.
Lu Jun: It should maintain a high level, did not do prior to selection.
Dong Lu: 8-year-old began to pick the players, but the referee may grow to more than a dozen two-year-old began.
Zhang Lu: call for many years.
Lu Jun: Why do not form so many years? is the work of their own problems referees. What is it? incubation period is too long, the use of too short. to judge maturity, do not tell others in my own terms. I started college 77 years, I count to 91 very quickly, and I was lucky. But it is immature, 14 years because we still remember a game I attended 91 years, women's football which led to different views, I think I'm immature. you have when the international referee, and very smooth, and spent a dozen years not mature until I'm mature the time to understand all aspects of football are good, it may I think the league has come to since the beginning of 94 years, 95 years later, the road was too long.
Zhang Lu: Ten years.
Lu Jun : A decade-long count. I counted earlier, some hobby shop and go because after graduating from university. incubation period is too long, the use of short, how much is paid, how do you earn in 5 years after the money? FIFA difficult to form such a mechanism, the majority of pseudo-professional, such as the level has been very good Lu Jun, the first decade of your own, who is willing to do this thing? bad for you as a professional, give you a high salary, but also is not the same as the athlete training system.
Dong Lu: Now it is possible to simplify the rules for it? such as offside, the offside has been constantly frequent this dispute, can the rules to give it more clear or easier? < br> Lu Jun: Football rules were not changed, football programs in many sports the least of which is changing the rules is the most conservative, or the most stable. But we also see the offside rule change continuously, previously said that the parallel , how to look? the first parallel, the body is not parallel, or the body backwards, feet parallel, how requirements? now FIFA rules the projection, a vertical one looks, no matter what, in addition to hands outside, anywhere there is overlap, such as the stomach beyond the point considered beyond the head, feet that are considered beyond the beyond, there is a standard, as long as one inch projection beyond a point, or are considered offside.
Dong Lu: now changed? the original overlap is not offside.
Zhang Lu: early changed. and then count how Joking overlap in front of his head, legs behind counted in the overlap that is not clear.
Lu Jun: changed now, and his head is not overlap in the back, feet In front of the whole body in the back half of the foot can be considered only highlight the offside. In addition to hands, two arms, and why?
Dong Lu: very natural swing.
Lu Jun: Because the two arms hit the ball a handball, is invalid, but I've just head than you probably, moved into, or offside. or most of a foot to the toes than you, caught the ball, or considered offside.
Dong Lu: So this session of the offside too many false positives, we believe that not a lot of overlap offside.
Lu Jun: there before distraction, what position station operator distraction? now defined, simply called the pass the ball, you pass me Next, we ran all three and, finally, the men carried a onside, not offside. Now Assistant Referee relatively simple, and I waited to see who is holding, and finally get onside is not offside, offside a look holding on the offside. the past is judged more difficult, in the end sheets to guide this position does not affect the structure, more difficult, or in the change.
Chang Road: One more question I do not understand until now, handball, no benefit Lee, intentionally or unintentionally, which first? the handball was unintentional handball, but beneficial.
Lu Jun: the history of these problems are difficult problems, difficult to resolve. handball to two words: deliberate handball. the rules of which the most simple terms the words, deliberately handball, you go to how to understand? Many people say that because of some fine, case, in particular, the guidance also led Zhang, place in the team, with the case to explain the rules of that is wrong. Why is it called Case? such as hand resting here, a dozen, and you do not intend to explain, what is it? as a starter, not contracting, transportation, agreed. next time into an attacking side, touch the hand out on the floor intentionally, and give you a false impression there is profit, intentional, non-profit, profit, form a wrong concept. this World Cup it has done very well, do not consider this, that is two words: intentional. as long as you identify, of course, have you identified I found useless, the court referee determined that the handball was unintentional handball is, not contracting, there is no benefit, non-profit concept.
Zhang Lu: profit for handball, there is no such word?
Lu Jun: No, never. how come it? case that you have because some of this misunderstanding. on the back just offensive and defensive hand here, a profit because the case out, but did not rule provisions.
Dong Lu: Let me give a more vivid example of that, we better listen to understand, for example, I was defensive player, the other when passing the natural swing, playing here after the collapse of an attack, this is not intentional.
Lu Jun: It is not intentional, not handball is not contracting, there was no benefit of this favorable terms. what to expand defense, distances, this is intentional and unintentional handball in determining the conditions, such as the septum was particularly far away, you put in here, from the awareness that the pass over the ball 30 meters detour here still have no intention, and one meter kick in is to help support a condition.
Zhang Lu: So we have listened to the interpretation of the rule that the referee , intentionally or unintentionally, no beneficial interest. So, do not know what trouble earlier ah.
Dong Lu: Taiwan to do in a day program, there Guo'an active players, he said, talking about the fine coaches say we do not know , between coaches and players say do not know what offside, what is not offside.
Lu Jun: actually very simple, it was a referee, including my own problems, not through the media or newspaper do communicate with the public. This is not enough to do the referee's propaganda, more publicity should be with you, after watching you on easy.
Dong Lu: Zhang guidance there watching this feeling? Sometimes there Some judges may be in the second half, when the penalty for the two teams there will be a subtle change? Is it the midfield, probably because the first half there has been some mistake or have a heart playback guilt?
Zhang Lu: I do not know you do not have this mentality referee.
Lu Jun: we tell the truth, nothing is not telling the truth. because he is a person, in a particularly important matter, but also a very clear errors, you can not affect it. But the referee asked us to exercise what are you doing? so many years of accumulation, why are immature? greater the more immature of .14 years, or even 20 years you may not go mature, and that you are not a good referee. required to minimize this situation.
Zhang Lu: for example, an obvious first half, blowing party favor miscarriage of justice, uphold the second half is still in accordance with the rules of contracting, decision do not get it back, or also try to recover a balance, which handled the right way?
Lu Jun: Do you feel good or make a mistake made two mistakes well.
Dong Lu: If the error can be on both sides is fair, I would rather commit two errors.
Lu Jun: Well, how do you choose just the error exactly do you think is fair then?
Dong Lu: Well, that is, has been an error, regardless of This error is large and small, Lu Jun hh
arises: how to find a balance point of the error.
Zhang Lu: It seems that eight ounces here, over there to find half a catty.
Dong Lu: for example, half of field to give him a penalty of a mistake, give him a second half penalty.
Lu Jun: This is your two mistakes, if you think this is the wrong balance. I think the circumstances under which a referees should be the case? such as we all think that the ball is very difficult negotiations, I sentenced a handball, and the second half appeared in the other team, you must not pass undetected, but also contractors, to make it consistent. Although the first sentence from the rules, but to ensure that this problem occurs the second half when the other party, can not say I'm looking for a second half not to, then this game really can not read.
Dong Lu: for example the first half was not sentenced to a penalty kick , the second half as the team appeared in the same penalty not a penalty.
Lu Jun: You can not go, there you do not let the same thing, then let mean and wrong, because you are used to each other this scale, you use a change of scale on this side just could not keep a scale.
Dong Lu: For example, specific to Australia, Italy, including the guidance of all I later talked with Kim, also talked with the players, They say that if not the first half red card, may be completed before the end of the penalty field hh
Lu Jun: I agree with you that it produced in the referee's consciousness, not have to find a second half red card, to find A the same thing, not the concept.
Dong Lu: But if there is a?
Lu Jun: If you never let go, in this case affect the ball, which is wrong, wrong again the.
Dong Lu: In your opinion wrong?
Lu Jun: Yes, of course this is only my personal view. The ball can not take my own, I also sought the views of many judges and asked their views. referee profession generally believe that it is quite uniform, I made a few phone calls to nearly 90% of people think that the ball is wrong, from the referee's point of view. But I'll ask some other people, including coaches, they think the ball enough to sentence. that is the rule, this clause in real life many people do not understand.
Dong Lu: University of the ball do you think?
Zhang Lu: I that the sentence. at least up to that sentence may be sentenced.
Dong Lu: If you say that they do not sub-contracting, the time the ball is there, if a team has to fight at that time to 89 minutes and 59 seconds, but in the end there can be sub- may sentence the case, the final sentence, and if you feel a bit cruel?
Zhang Lu: no way to appear at this time, this place.
Dong Lu: Can not say that there may be 10 referees 8 referee will not fine?
Lu Jun: Because never touched, that he met, as you remember that the ball will never have again, is another case, so the referee can not copy the work .
Zhang Lu: Why do I say that the ball I think the sentence? I have also told Lu Jun exchange at the bottom, we encounter this situation in the game are basically sub-referee.
Lu Jun: So I was this sentence mean? indeed coaches that I can not say no, because I played a lot of calls. but not because of this rule change, but I must tell you how to rule, so sometimes in a dilemma . , myself down, myself stumbling myself, or myself to play, in the case of a few people scramble hard to judge. Most of what is the situation? is that the ball out of control, often are on the ball this fall out of control, really vain to get the ball, it can not shoot the door to start using this method. But why South American team high? I have become a high foul, and now FIFA as a foul on the pretend The new addition of a better recognition.
Lu Jun: Now you foul out in the rules, the past that pull, pulling, pushing, now more one is pretending that a foul. This is the kind of sentence is still relatively good, as long as the judges point of view is good, near distance, identify clear action, sentenced the ball better.
The second is physical contact, just the body of a collision on the down side is very exaggerated, or just hand an action, like pulling , and immediately fell back a tone the body, to referee an illusion, do not see the intensity from a distance, look at hand here, and snapped Yishuai, this is a situation that the relative is not the most difficult .
is the third most difficult, for example to take the goalkeeper, for example, a hand-net smash the body should be allowed goalkeeper net smash, not saved a net smash ball, feet trip you went on the trip, because the ball is You control, your hand I did not flew, flew at your feet, hands still here detour is saved to normal, the team with a foot, the goalkeeper as a stumbling block, and how to look is the hands feet tripping the.
Zhang Lu: In this situation, the goalkeeper is not only a red card even under penalty. In such aggression, we absolutely have to blow, with the goalkeeper have to make it clear, this case would rather not have the ball, or to a red card.
Lu Jun: pretending that this problem is also to find ways to FIFA in recent years may also be more stringent rules, as a serious challenge to the authority of the referee.
Zhang Lu: Actually referee this thing, I think as people, the judge is wrong. Basketball NBA right? You said butt and stop the ball, and sent that point, you stop that stop blowing, blow your butt is dribbling the ball butt, no way, the principle can only be the referee.
Dong Lu: Basketball is good, the ball more, 150:140. referee should not watch the first half the midfield should be the playback?
Lu Jun: It is I know, because in the World Cup, you can not see the replay of the midfield, we judges are very quiet. but because in the lounge, attention, and no one into the room, that is, the four judges , rest of the time it was very quiet and the four of them, according to personal habits to break, because everyone has everyone's way of relaxing, unlike sports teams, because I did not have sports teams into the lounge, you may talk about a number of coaches things, this case was not allowed to supervise referee interference into action, but four of them can not stop the communication.
Zhang Lu: They will exchange the four Columbia.
Dong Lu: off-site may see the fourth official.
Lu Jun: an exchange, saying that the ball just is not handball, the reaction big. Spanish handball that is just that, once prone in his mind, that I missed the ball the original is handball, I suspect, but did not dare sentence. what is that is not offside, he realistically speaking, this kind of thing had a subconscious influence on him. But no way this kind of thing, he is human, so he fully difficult to overcome off.
Dong Lu: a lounge into a mask of a human hair, who does not speak.
Lu Jun: it was not into, but also drums, and my heart is still thought. Sometimes the news is not only, or positive, was sentenced to say that the ball is not it? say that the second half more confident.
Dong Lu: In short, we use great lengths to discuss the referee, because the more controversy, a general the feeling, if I were a neutral fan, I would like to see the first good game. Secondly, I would like to see fair play. If the error must occur, and we hope it better, the smaller the better.
Zhang Lu: Of course I hope you also understand that the referee, referees are human beings, this live is not easy to dry, very difficult. we got angry watching videos that win also, in the end is a foul or not foul. < br> Dong Lu: I wish the rest of the 8 games, such as less controversial penalty. Do not end a game in time, that public opinion in the sky, the fans are not talking of technology, tactics, who wonderful play, talk is all the problems the referee, football game to lose the meaning of enough.
Lu Jun: Special sorrow hh (end)
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